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Sep 15 14 4:47 AM
Before I wring my insides out watching the episode again before bed.....
Then Black Jack sketched Claire on the napkin, and of course my mind goes to Ben Wade. Look, another bad guy who can draw. I'm sure that's from the books. Does he do that quite a bit, Cat?
I thought of Bbbben, too.
Sorry, Izzy. The decent Lt. Jeremy Foster and the whole trip to/meeting in the inn with the English (ie. about 3/4's of Ep6) are not in the book (with the exception of the sucker punch...and I don't know now if they'll show the scene where that actually happened) including Dougal's rescue, which means no Jack drawing (I was quite surprised by that, actually). What happens to Jamie (trying not to spoil it for Mammi ), though, is in the book and was shown almost exactly as written, although in the book Jamie tells it to Claire himself. (And it's true, as Jamie said earlier...to know he was ******* is one thing, to see it is more "pairsonal". The shot of his boots slipping... ) I'd like to ask Herself why the change in narrative POV since it was equally, if differently, gut-wrenching hearing the victim describe it himself. I'm thinking that, much as they've expanded Frank's role to emphasize Claire's relationship with him, the whole inn thing and changing the POV was to expand upon and emphasize Jack's depravity. (Btw, I think Mr. Menzies did an exceptional job with his narration. Those little lip curls....) Well, and to make more clear Claire's changing perspective regarding her captors.
What happened afterward - at the spring (even more beautiful a location than written...the location scouts have earned their money!), Dougal's solution to protect her, and Claire's/Jamie's discussion about it - are pretty much as written. Interestingly, Jamie's "reveal" was one of the problems they had casting the role - finding an actor who could convincingly play a year old virgin! (I won't spoiler his age...but there's a reason everyone calls him "lad/laddie"!
She's going to have to consider marrying Jamie. (What a tragedy.)
I agree with Maggie. How that plays out (I'm hoping they retain the humour) is one of my favourite parts, too (and this time for its emotional, not physical, aspects)...and apparently of the critics!
I mentioned at the beginning of this thread that I'd tried to convince my favourite barista to watch telling her if she didn't fall for Jamie, she must be gay. Well, she's not gay! She practically bounced up to the counter today saying she was LOVING Outlander and HAD to talk to me about it!
And another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust!
Sep 15 14 9:24 AM
Sep 15 14 10:29 AM
Priestess of the Sex God
And another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust! '
Sep 15 14 12:32 PM
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Sep 15 14 6:23 PM
What episodes have you watched so far now, Mammi?
Here's Ep. 6, "The Garrison Commander" the one we've been discussing, in case you've caught up. http://4streaming.net/zdz993omecd7
I've been thinking more about the change of POV for that narration, and it ties in with what you're saying about adaptation, Izzy, and what you're saying about keeping fans interested, Maggie. (Although there's no lack of keeping interest in the book!) As the Exec. Producer, Ron Moore's said, tv has different requirements, different flows, from a book. While a book reader's already committed to keep turning the pages and has the luxury to do so whenever convenient, a tv viewer - with all the Real Life distractions - has to be constantly enticed to re-commit to tuning in. So, since Jamie already recounted his first victimization by Black Jack, eliminate the "been there, done that" aspect, and change the narrator of the second. Also, more foreshadowing acts as further teasers. (And gives those who've read the books "Ah-ha!" moments - I've been loving those.) Book Jamie didn't recount Jack saying "I'll break you!", but as that's significant to Jack (and very significant later), Jack did.
the edge of darkness in Frank and the shadow of light in Black Jack
I've never considered the first, although I can see now how that is/will be reflected later. The latter is clear later although, as with everything Jack, that, too, is twisted. I thought it intriguing, and very well-done, in this episode when we were lulled into thinking - as Claire was - that there was good left in Jack, only to be abruptly and brutally disabused of the notion.
I do not know how I am going to survive until next week.
The only things tempering my impatience are a) being able to relive the current episode and squeezing every drop of enjoyment/meaning/appreciation/emotion out of it before the next one and b) knowing there are only 2 episodes left in this half of the season and then WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT SPRING FOR 9-16!
Good thing I'm re-reading the books in preparation for the latest one to be released in paperback...... (Although I'm kind of disjointed watching young Jamie/Claire and reading older Jamie/Claire. I've been wondering - in absolute hope there'll be season 3! - how Caitriona and Sam will pull off older......)
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Sep 16 14 4:57 PM
Maggie, have you watched the Starz pirate show, Black Sails? We watched the last season but we were pretty underwhelmed. I think the show looked great, but I could barely care about any of the characters and much of the plot didn't make sense to me. And I'm a huge pirate fan too! Such a disappointment. The NBC show Crossbones wasn't much better, though it was fun to watch John Malkovich chew the scenery. I liked Richard Coyle quite a lot too, and I wondered if they cast him because he looks a bit like Russell
Sep 16 14 5:51 PM
I've been somewhat disjointed simultaneously watching the current episodes online, 2 episodes back on Canada's Showcase, and re-reading now 2 books ahead with older Jamie, Claire et al. And so....
While I was right about a change of POV for the narration of the flogging, it wasn't Jamie who told Claire. I was mixing that up with a later occurrence. It was Dougal, who was indeed there, who told her. I just re-read the passage. Book Dougal's reaction was more "uncle-y" as one would expect/hope than it seemed in the tv version (I thought tv Dougal too stoic), and he did make some slightly different observations about Jamie (how "scairt" he obviously was but showing a very "rare courage"), and some observations about Jack that Mr. Menzies captured very well/disturbingly. But the tv version was longer and more revelatory both for Jamie's suffering and Jack's emotional state, and so was actually more viscerally emotional/moving. Quite a feat.
Book Dougal tells Claire he told her as something of a "character reference" for Randall but especially for Jamie...the latter as part of persuading her to marry him. Interestingly - and kudos to the tv writers/producers - the tv version does an even better job at showing the true depths of both men. Well, man and - even more extraordinarily - then "boy".
And speaking of discovering new Outlander sites, I was scouring Google for more Jamie screencaps/gifs to add to my personal collection (one can never have enough! ), when I came upon a blog site that has super extensive galleries and some very interesting "true fan" analyses of the episodes...and humour that all of us here can appreciate! In fact, it was the analysis of Ep.6 which alerted me to my egregious-as-a-true-fan-myself POV error. It also has a long and interesting video playlist.
Sep 17 14 4:27 AM
Can't argue with that......
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Sep 17 14 11:16 PM
Our Claire made it into Entertainment Weekly's "The Week's Best Sound Bites"!
"I believe your left hand gets jealous of your right. That's about all I believe." - Claire (Caitriona Balfe), incredulous over a clansman's tale of two women fighting over him in bed, on Outlander.
I willna mention anything aboot appropriateness for yer weekend, Izzy, as I'm no as crass as a number of Highlanders we ken.....
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