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Quote:Synopsis: Ridley Scott (BLADE RUNNER, ALIEN) transports Hollywood to second-century Rome in this rousing historical epic that proudly harkens back to such films as BEN-HUR and SPARTACUS. Russell Crowe plays Maximus, a Roman general who leads the troops in conquering Germania for the empire. When an... [More]Ridley Scott (BLADE RUNNER, ALIEN) transports Hollywood to second-century Rome in this rousing historical epic that proudly harkens back to such films as BEN-HUR and SPARTACUS. Russell Crowe plays Maximus, a Roman general who leads the troops in conquering Germania for the empire. When an aging Marcus Aurelius (Richard Harris) tells Maximus that he'd like him to rule Rome once he's gone, a classic confrontation ensues between the brave and charming soldier--who wants to return home to his wife, son, and farm--and the jealous and conniving Commodus (Joaquin Phoenix), the emperor's only son, who is thirsty for power. Bought as a slave by the profiteering Proximo (Oliver Reed, in his last role), Maximus must kill or be killed in the ring, battling to save not only himself but the future of the very empire that he loves and honors. The film features a terrific battle sequence (that recalls the beginning of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN), huge crowd scenes of thousands of people, and even a little romance, albeit mostly taboo. The impeccably choreographed gladiator scenes are violent yet thrilling, flashing by like lightning. GLADIATOR is a glorious spectacle filled with heart and soul. [Less]
Apr 19 08 9:32 AM
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Quote:Nick Cave's Gladiator 2 Script ReviewScreenplay by Nick Cave (The Proposition).Trivia:Russell Crowe to Empire (AU): At first I was very cynical about that notion [of a Gladiator sequel], but Ive come around on it. Weve had other ideas too, where we step off into the metaphysical and you actually acknowledge the fact that Maximus is dead [laughs], but that is a hard script to write. Nick Cave actually wrote a draft for me and Ridley [Scott] at one point. Hes an excellent writer, man. Nick did this draft and Ridley and I considered it for a while.In a nutshell:One of the most amazing, out-of-left-field screenplays I have ever read.Detailed Synopsis:EXT. Dark Wilderness, a storm rages. We follow two thieves as they stumble across the body of a Gladiator lying in the mud. They strip it of its armor and weaponry. One of the men suddenly goes silent; a large spear is embedded in his spine. As the other man flees, he turns to see the dead Gladiator rising:It is MAXIMUSgasping for air, frantic and disoriented.A middle-aged man steps out of the shadows to assist. He introduces himself as MOREDECAI. He says that hes been waiting for Maximus to arrive since watching him die in the Coliseum yesterday. Maximus says that he has no time for riddles. Mordecai responds that he has all eternity.Cut to: Maximus makes his way through a wheat field, his wife and son (MARIA and MARIUS) stand beneath a giant poplar in the distance. A storm hits, heavy rain obscuring his vision. A fantastic bolt of lightning strikes the poplar. He violently awakens. Mordecai approaches and explains that there is something he needs to show him.As they walk, Maximus stresses that he must locate his family. Mordecai tells him that there are those who search and those have given up the search. Over eternity, the former eventually become the latter. They approach the edge of a cliffBeneath them in the valley: an encampment bordering a pitch-black sea, filled with the infinite numbers of the damned, stretching endlessly to eternity. They descend.While making their way through the camp, Mordecai breaks up a fight between two women. Hes something of a peacekeeper here. In return for his services, the Gods allow him to return to Rome (in spectral form) for brief visits. In the midst of their conversation, the crowd explodes with excitement. In the distance: a lone man glides along the darkened sea on a small boat. Thousands pour into the water shouting Elysium! as the boat disappears into the fog. Mordecai pronounces them fools for believing there is any escape.The two make their way to a massive, ruined temple near the encampment. Maximus enters and finds the Roman Gods (Jupiter, Apollo, Pluto, Neptune, Mars, Mercury, and Bacchus) who mock his predicament. Still, they offer a deal: their brother, Hephaestos, has run off to the desert filled with bad ideas. He is gathering apostates/fanatics and slowly amassing a power greater than their own. As a result, theyve agedgrown weak and diseased. They want Maximus to seek out Hephaestos and kill him. In exchange, they will reunite him with his family. Maximus bolts out of the temple without saying a word.Mordecai warns him that the Gods are lying. He can not be reunited with his wife because she sacrificed her place in Elysium to allow their son to cheat death. Marius was resurrected and returned to Earth (specifically Rome) where he lives out his days. As for Mariashe could be anywhere in the netherworld, but will never be found.Maximus refuses to listen and heads off. In the desert, he has a vision of his wife. He gives chase as she leads him to a bloodied, dying stag entangled in brambles. He attempts to free it, but the animals wounds are too severe. Marias voice pleads help us as the stag takes its final breath and dies in his arms.Maximus locates Hephaestos camp to find it completely abandoned, save for the man himself. Left for dead by his followers, Hephaestos explains that the masses have lost faith in the Roman Gods. As result, theyre dying. There is only one true God and their time has rightfully passed. Maximus asks about his son. Hephaestos stresses that he is in great danger and needs his fathers assistance. As they lock eyes, the Gladiator is transportedback to the world of the living. Maximus rises out of the body of a dying Christian is the midst of a massacre in Lyons. Its a mob scene, dozens of Christians being beaten/hacked to death by The Emperors forces. Seeing an elderly Bishop on the verge of being slaughtered, Maximus grabs a weapon and beings hacking away at the attackers. Hes overwhelmed by the crowd and restrained. Before the killing blow is delivered: an unseen voice orders a stay. 25-year-old LUCIUS (Connie Nielsons son from the original) approaches. Lucius asks the rebel his namehe has seen him before. Maximus does not answer, but pleads for the Bishops life to be spared. Lucius responds by nonchalantly decapitating the old man. He orders the guards to kill Maximus, but he manages to escape.Down the road, he encounters two men (PETER and MARCUS) who ask for his help. He follows them to a sanctuary where their leader (IRENAEUS) gives Maximus a brief history of their predicament: Lucius and the Emperor seek to put down Christianityto wipe it from the world. The Christians need help in alerting their Rome-based leader (a schoolteacher named CASSIAN) that the Empire is on the verge of locating him. Maximus refuses and heads off in search of his son.Along the path to the city, he finds a family of butchered Christians. Hes approached by the ghost of Mordecai who explains that his failure to kill Hephaestos has resulted in permanent banishment to Earth. Maximus seems unconcerned by this. After arriving in Rome, he checks into an inn where several folks seem to recognize himAt the palace, Emperor DECIUS scolds Lucius regarding his bloodthirsty methods. Lucius defends himself by explaining that (in his mind) their empire is dying. Plague, famine, earthquakes, the great granaries of Rome destroyed by inundationsall result from the anger of the Gods. The Christians mock their divinity and must be destroyed. Their leader must be found. The Emperor reveals that a census is being taken. Anyone who is Christian will be arrested and be provided with an opportunity to recant. If not, they will be put to death in the Coliseum in a spectacular fashion. The people will be entertained.Meanwhile, a large gathering of Roman Christians discuss aforementioned census. Several propose standing up and fighting back. Maximus enters: tells them its suicide. They ask who he is; he responds that he was once a Roman soldier. One of the men steps forward: You served the devil himself. It is MARIUS, who proposes killing the intruder. They share some heated words before the gathering is broken up. Maximus rages to Mordecai that his own son does not recognize him.We find Lucius walking the halls of the palace. He passes the bust of certain famous Roman General and halts in his tracks. A haunted look crosses his face.Maximus locates the Christian leader, Cassian and offers his help. Cassian apologizes for the actions of his student, Marius, last night. His adopted son has a hot temper on occasion. He relates a tale of how he found Marius alone in a sick ward as a little boy, no parents to speak of.Maximus heads back to the inn to find a pack of groupies. He walks! they exclaim. One of the gathered is JUBA (Djimon Hounsous character). They embrace, drink and catch upJuba listens, dumbfounded. He presents Maximus with a gift: the totemic figurines of Marius and Maria buried at the end of the first film. He recently retrieved them after learning that the Emperor will be flooding the Coliseum for a match involving alligators. Maximus thanks him. We cut to Lucius torturing a family to uncover Cassians identity.The next morning: Marius walks through the city. Hes confronted by two young men who mock his faith. As the confrontation turns physical, Maximus steps from the shadows and beats the attackers to a pulp. Father and son have a nice conversation in which Marius compares Maximus to the Apostle Paul: a violent man who converted after hearing Christs voice, becoming Gods chosen instrument. The two speak of their families: Marius discusses his birth fathers constant absence. Maximus describes the pain of leaving his wife and child, particularly his sonMarius.Marius arrives at school just in time to see Lucius and his men enter. They announce their intent to arrest the Christian leader. After Cassian mentions his mothers conversion and eventual stoning, Lucius stabs him to death . Marius escapes and heads directly for Maximus, asking for his help in creating an army. Several short training/recruitment scenes follow.We cut to The Coliseum, teeming with thousands of cheering Romans. The grounds are completely flooded with several ships battling hundreds of alligators with fireballs and arrows (note: did Cave ask Michael Bay for guidance on this?) Lucius speaks with the Decius and informs him that the Christians are forming an army under a resurrected Maximus. The Emperor gives permission to crush them.Maximus army heads for the forest. Father and son share a brief conversation: the truth of their relationship is unspoken, but seemingly recognized by both.Lucius and an army of hundreds approach. A massive battle ensues. Lucius kills Juba. Enraged, Maximus cuts Lucius to pieces. As readies to deliver the killing stroke, Lucius drops his sword and seems to accept his fate: Only at your hands, Maximus. An arrow then explodes through Lucius neck, fired by Marius. A storm hits, the heavens explode with rage. Marius falls to knees and bellows: Oh lord what have we done? Maximus kneels as well, rubs dirt between his fingers.We intercut the following with shots of the dying stag from earlier in the film:- Middle Eastern Battlefield: Maximus stands surrounded by hundreds of Crusaders as they battle a Muslim army. Everyone dies around him, only Maximus remains untouched.- Europe: Maximus battles tanks in World War 2.- Vietnam: Maximus battles Vietcong with a flamethrower.- The Pentagon, Present Day: Maximus washing his hands in a mens room sink. He stars at himself in the mirrorreflecting. Mordecai stands behind him and whispers: Until eternity itself has said its prayers. Maximus exits; proceeds into a large war room containing a dozen men in suits.- The edge of a black hole: Maximus commands a futuristic, 3-story tall space suit. The machines giant titanium claws grip the side of a planet-size starship. Maximus leans back, kicks off the hull and simultaneously opens fire on 10,000 amorphic creatures as they bear down on him. (ok, I made that last one up)Fade to black.What works:After being prepared to write this off as some sort of misguided oddity, Im surprised to say this is an absolutely exceptional script.Once the initial what the f**k am I reading?! wore off, I really came to savor everything about it. Caves writing, the storyline, the dialogueits Grade-A material through and through.While there are DEEP, CRITICAL flaws with this as a sequel, nearly every problem I have with the story could be corrected by spinning it off as something stand-alone.- Despite a sense that Maximus journey in this film repeats many of the same beats of the original: hes still written to perfection. Its very easy to imagine Crowe scoring another Oscar with what Cave gave him to work with.- The idea of a damned Maximus paying for his transgressions against the Gods by serving as an eternal warrior is fantastic stuff. The final scene is particularly heartbreaking. It also opens things up for more sequels (kidding).- From Caves descriptions of the vast netherworld to a highly-ambitious, crocodile-packed battle sequence: Ridley Scott would have had a blast shooting this.What doesnt work:-This is not a reflection on the quality of the piece, but Im not really interested in seeing a sequel to Gladiator featuring elements of mythology and the supernatural. They werent present in the first film and they simply feel out of place here.Its like making an action-packed follow-up to Schindlers List with a cryogenically-frozen Liam Neeson helping to save a doomed alien species 10,000 years in the future. Sure, there might be an interesting story therebut it doesnt make sense given the pre-established universe.-The script renders most of the original film moot. Maximus struggles, quest for vengeance and ultimate (if hollow) victory were for nothing. Its an Alien 3 redux. The idea of JUBA digging up the graves of Maximus wife and child seems to be a (deliberate?) metaphor for the sequel. The poignancy of the originals ending is essentially desecrated.- While I enjoyed Lucius dialogue, hes essentially a carbon copy of Joaquin Phoenixs character. He needs an identity of his own.- To cut down on the sheer number of resurrections, I would have let Marius rest in peace, created a new villain and swapped Lucius in as a surrogate son for Maximus.- Marius is a little underwritten. Outside his mysterious past and relationship with Maximus, theres not much to him.- Battle scenes seem a bit underwritten (example: the climax is literally 2-3 paragraphs in the script) although I attribute that more to this being a first draft than anything else. Im sure they would have been more fleshed out in future revisions.In a nutshell:So wrong, yet so right. I love it as a standalone screenplay but hate it as a sequel to Gladiator.
Apr 19 08 11:42 AM
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Quote:Russell Crowe for 'Gladiator' sequel?Saturday, September 10 2005, 12:03 BSTBy Daniel Kilkelly, Entertainment Reporter Russell Crowe is in talks to join a second Gladiator movie, reprising his role as dead character Maximus.Although the actor initially refused to appear in the film, a new script penned by rock singer Nick Cave has encouraged him to reconsider."At first I was very cynical about that notion [of a sequel], but I've come around on it," Crowe told the Australian Empire magazine.We've had other ideas too, where we step off into the metaphysical and you actually acknowledge the fact that Maximus is dead, but that is a hard script to write."Nick Cave actually wrote a draft for me and director Ridley Scott at one point. He's an excellent writer."I actually paid for it, such is my belief for the idea. But unless everybody is on line then it's kind of pointless going forward with it."
Quote:Thurs., Jun. 22, 2006By ADAM DAWTREYTo describe cult rocker Nick Cave as a reluctant screenwriter is something of an understatement. He won widespread acclaim for his scripting debut, "The Proposition," a violent and poetic Australian Western directed by his friend John Hillcoat.The pair, both Aussie expats living in the trendy resort of Brighton on Blighty's south coast, are now working together on a second project, an English tragicomedy named after the Leonard Cohen song "Death of a Ladies' Man," with Ray Winstone set to star. They've also formed a company, Titan Films, to develop other ideas.Yet Cave claims to harbor no conscious screenwriting ambitions, and he admits to being horrified by the realities of the movie biz."I'm very comfortable in my day job as a musician," he insists. "The last thing I ever wanted to get involved with is Hollywood. The way it works is that people get an idea you could possibly do something, but there's a one-in-a-hundred chance that it could get made. It's a waste of fucking time, and I have a lot to do."His prejudice was confirmed a few years back when Russell Crowe asked him write a sequel to "Gladiator," but his characteristically perverse script proved impossible to finance Nonetheless, Cave clearly is still open to persuasion by the right person with the right idea. The thought of writing screenplays never occurred to him before Hillcoat asked for help with his long-cherished dream of making an Australian Western. Both admit they were surprised by the result."It just poured out of him," Hillcoat recalls. "All those rock 'n' roll years in hotel rooms of watching films in slightly altered states, they must have become hardwired into his subconscious.""Nick's an all-round genius and very definitely a screenwriter," testifies Paul Webster, who is producing "Death of a Ladies' Man." "It's an incredibly poetic meditation on life in England that mixes outrageous comedy with real pathos, and it has all the trademark darkness of Nick's music as well as his humor.""Scriptwriting allows me to explore things I wouldn't normally be able to," Cave admits. "There's something wonderfully adolescent about 'Death of a Ladies' Man' that I'm not allowed to get away with anymore in rock music."VITAL STATSAge: 48Birthplace: Warracknabeal, Victoria, AustraliaInspiration: "It's exciting to be given a basic scenario, or just a genre, and to create a character and allow him to exist. You disappear into a zone, you lose yourself in it. It's a great antidote to the world." Favorite unproduced script: "Gladiator 2" - Cave's script "finished with a 20-minute war sequence that ended up in Vietnam, and then in a toilet in the Pentagon, with Russell as this rage-fueled eternal warrior," he says.
Apr 19 08 1:02 PM
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Quote:Its an Alien 3 redux
Apr 19 08 7:09 PM
Quote:And I hate Alien 3. It's a betrayal of everything Ripley endured.
Apr 19 08 7:21 PM
Quote:So....let Maximus rest in peace, in the Elysium he earned.
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Apr 20 08 2:47 AM
I am perfectly sure thatI will always bea Russell Crowe fan!
Apr 20 08 8:06 AM
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Quote:Just out of curiousity, is that old G2 script (done on the old Gladbb) still available anywhere?
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